Hollow hills on Mars

[gregorme]

Jan 7, 2019 14:40:05 GMT -5 starjim said:

I am focusing on the peeled roof structure, I am using the B20_017374_2216_XN_41N141W image and the D22_035927_2228_XN_42N141W images. Looking at the building in D22 I see much more detail of the entire structure and now believe it is simply a collapsed rrof structure that was hit on the north side by a destructive force (bunker buster?) and left a small footprint when it entered and blew outward to the north. I note there are continuous ridges around the outside edge of the structure and there is visible cell type structures under the roof.

That would mean the roof is still there, just collapsed into the structure below. I noted with several lines what I see.

I also looked at the two circular areas to the southwest, these I call Twins as they are almost exactly alike. The more complete one has a visible entrance and roadway in fairly good condition, while the other is more collapsed around that area. These Twins are aproximately 60 meters high and 336 meters in diameter (197' high and 1102' in diameter).

Jim, I think that's what I said in the paper, the roof folded over like opening a can of sardines. It's much more clear in one image, the curl of the roof edge stands out. It also shows what is inside a hill by what is exposed. It's necessary and sufficient for a natural process to fold the roof over, like a tsunami or hurricane. Nuclear explosions might do the same but it introduces a further unprovable hypothesis, whether there were any nukes here. A tsunami is not a problem for mainstream science because there are already papers examining tsunamis in other areas. The craters are interesting in how similar they are. 

[gregorme]

Jan 7, 2019 15:55:42 GMT -5 williamsaunders said:

Most of these images indicate to me a re-working of the terrain by an artificial source. ie not mother nature. The image of the peeled back roof is extremely intriguing but I don't see surrounding evidence of extreme wind effects. Main stream scientists would point to a few of the formations and say "exploding pingos" and leave it at that. Why? Well most of us know why. The rectangular formation screams artificial! Definitely an area needing more research. Nice find!

Yes, it's almost absurd how much evidence there is in this area. A roof of a hill cannot fold over like a sardine lid, it cannot begin to be explained. Also of course pingos don't explode, just the heads of mainstream scientists looking at this. There are also many possible Cobler Domes in the paper, rings of bricks clearly visible forming a dome. 

[George J. Haas]

Yes Bill, this rectangular structure is a great "out of place" find. Here is a second MRO HiRISE CTX image of the Rectangular Hollow taken in 2015, showing it with some of its surrounding formations.


Rectangular Hollow
MRO HiRISE CTX - F21_043826_2189_XI_38N140W (2015)

GJH

[George J. Haas]

The highly symmetrical foundation walls that supports the Rectangular Hollow on Mars (Figure 1) are similar to some of geometric geoglyphs that were recently discovered in the Amazon (Figure 2).



Figure 1
Rectangular Hollow
MRO HiRISE CTX - F21_043826_2189_XI_38N140W (2015)




Figure 2
Rectangular geoglyph
Amazon

Here is a comparison of the walls of a ruined foundation found in Dragoon Spring, Arizona to the Rectangular Hollow on Mars (Figure 3).



Figure 3
Left: Rectangular Hollow, Mars
Right: Rectangular geoglyph, Amazon


GJH

[gregorme]

Jan 9, 2019 10:17:08 GMT -5 George J. Haas said:

The highly symmetrical foundation walls that supports the Rectangular Hollow on Mars (Figure 1) are similar to some of geometric geoglyphs that were recently discovered in the Amazon (Figure 2).



Figure 1
Rectangular Hollow
MRO HiRISE CTX - F21_043826_2189_XI_38N140W (2015)




Figure 2
Rectangular geoglyph
Amazon

Here is a comparison of the walls of a ruined foundation found in Dragoon Spring, Arizona to the Rectangular Hollow on Mars (Figure 3).



Figure 3
Left: Rectangular Hollow, Mars
Right: Rectangular geoglyph, Amazon


GJH



Geometry is particularly hard to explain, though we may be seeing here an internal rectangle of a former roundish hollow hill. The sides would be more rounded externally as can be seen by the angled gradient of them. Some of these other hills could have rectangular cavities as well. The 3 roomed pit in my paper is also approximately rectangular.

[gregorme]

Jan 8, 2019 10:50:31 GMT -5 George J. Haas said:

Yes Bill, this rectangular structure is a great "out of place" find. Here is a second MRO HiRISE CTX image of the Rectangular Hollow taken in 2015, showing it with some of its surrounding formations.


Rectangular Hollow
MRO HiRISE CTX - F21_043826_2189_XI_38N140W (2015)

GJH

Arguably this also shows hollow hills in various stages of collapse into pits. A shows a collapsing roof, B may be another example of a damaged roof from a tsunami. C may be what some of these are like inside, a roof goes over the corridors in effect. The roof at D seems to have collapsed and E is collapsing. It is a reasonable hypothesis then that the pit is what is found after a hill collapses. It's unlikely wind could blow away the debris of a collapsing roof, there is a tendency to form dunes of materials that still exist elsewhere. But a tsunami would turn a mud dwelling into soil which would be not seen as out of the ordinary. The ground in this area is smooth like it's been underwater but this should have been above the shoreline.

[George J. Haas]

William Saunders and I were on THE MARTIAN REVELATION radio program talking about some of these structures with Gary "The Mad Martian" Leggiere, on Saturday night January 12-13 , 2019 (12AM-3AM EST).





THE MARTIAN REVELATION Web page: link

GJH

[gregorme]

Jan 14, 2019 9:37:02 GMT -5 George J. Haas said:

William Saunders and I were on THE MARTIAN REVELATION radio program talking about some of these structures with Gary "The Mad Martian" Leggiere, on Saturday night January 12-13 , 2019 (12AM-3AM EST).





THE MARTIAN REVELATION Web page: link

GJH

I'll have a listen. I mentioned the flipped over roof when I was on. I have some images on ultor.org and we went down the page through them, then we went to martians.life and managed to get through a lot of images. But as you've seen, this area in Acheron needs much more analysis. It is bigger by far than where the Egyptian pyramids are, it will take centuries just to get there and understand this small area properly. Then of course there are so many other areas like the King's Valley.

[starjim]

This is B17_016240_2228_XN_42N142W which is the next image to the west. It just misses the peeled roof shown by Orme. I did find that spot and there are other objects next to that which I’ll show later. This grabbed my interest.

The large image is marked with an A that shows where these are on the strip. Then I have the cropped image. 'A' shows a three tiered crater. When you blow it up there are distinct levels defined by the light on the west side. The overall size is about 300m or 1000’ in diameter. Height is about 300’ overall, it looks like the tiers are 150’.

The 'B' shows an eye shaped structure. Both of these have indications of entrance ways on the bottom or south sides. There is also a lot of straight lines and rectangles all over this area.

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[gregorme]

Jan 15, 2019 11:37:15 GMT -5 starjim said:

This is B17_016240_2228_XN_42N142W which is the next image to the west. It just misses the peeled roof shown by Orme. I did find that spot and there are other objects next to that which I’ll show later. This grabbed my interest.

The large image is marked with an A that shows where these are on the strip. Then I have the cropped image. 'A' shows a three tiered crater. When you blow it up there are distinct levels defined by the light on the west side. The overall size is about 300m or 1000’ in diameter. Height is about 300’ overall, it looks like the tiers are 150’.

The 'B' shows an eye shaped structure. Both of these have indications of entrance ways on the bottom or south sides. There is also a lot of straight lines and rectangles all over this area.

Yes, these appear in many areas. They may be hollow hills built in a crater. 

[gregorme]

Here is another hollow hill with a collapsing roof in another area. I call this Hecates because it is near Hecates Tholus.

The roof appears to be sagging, D would be an internal support showing through. Many pits have an internal wall like this. The ground is smooth around it as if it has been altered.

[George J. Haas]

Hi Greg. Yes, the Phlegra Montes region is another interesting area.

I have titled your "Hecates" formation - "Triangular Mound with Muffin Top Roof.

Here is a coloration of the collapsed roof with a muffin top shape.




Notice the symmetry of design within this highly complex muffin top shape.

GJH

[gregorme]

Jan 17, 2019 13:28:04 GMT -5 George J. Haas said:

Hi Greg. Yes, the Phlegra Montes region is another interesting area.

I have titled your "Hecates" formation - "Triangular Mound with Muffin Top Roof.

Here is a coloration of the collapsed roof with a muffin top shape.




Notice the symmetry of design within this highly complex muffin top shape.

GJH

This one is interesting, I don't know how it can be more obvious that they are collapsed hills. The straight internal sides look very artificial. You have an internal support dividing both like the slice of bread, the hypothesis that this held up the roof is quite plausible. Imagine what it will be like going into these hills one day. 

[gregorme]

Jan 17, 2019 13:28:04 GMT -5 George J. Haas said:

Hi Greg. Yes, the Phlegra Montes region is another interesting area.

I have titled your "Hecates" formation - "Triangular Mound with Muffin Top Roof.

Here is a coloration of the collapsed roof with a muffin top shape.




Notice the symmetry of design within this highly complex muffin top shape.

GJH

These wheelhouses are similar to the hollow hills, also smaller ones in Cydonia. They also have internal walls, if the roofs collapse they would look something like the pits. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarlshof?fbclid=IwAR2zYBDo2Wi7DRWim4kLzCIvRZfbvRVbQvLFIl_giRy5RfGGyD0ACJBRSes

[gregorme]

Another interesting formation, the walls inside appear to have held up the roof.

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