Hollow hills on Mars

[gregorme]

Yes, they are in my paper, look in the attached link. I called them amphitheaters because of the circular structures like seats. I found one of these years ago nearby, they are in many places on Mars. In the paper I say they may be Cobler Domes, rings of bricks built up to make a dome. I also show how these are made on earth. 

If you go through the paper it can save you double posting, I'd prefer you mentioned I found something if you post these things in groups. The more these formations are attributed the harder it will be for someone to plagiarize them later. If there are no claims of priority then nothing would stop them ignoring all our work. This is likely to become much more popular soon so people are going to try this. It's also why I wait a time before posting things and keep copies, it makes it much harder to plagiarize them later.

However the whole area is fascinating, the pits may imply all these hills are hollow and constructed. Many of these hills are not very high, like the flipped roof, It then seems unlikely they would be hollow because a dome is usually much higher.  

Dec 23, 2018 13:14:01 GMT -5 George J. Haas said:

Moving towards the eastern side of the Box-like foundation (Labeled J in figure 1), I direct your attention to the set of mounds with exposed grid work and cellular infrastructure that I call Complex K, labeled K in figure 1.


Figure 1
J: Box-like foundation
K: Group of structures with exposed infrastructure.


Here is a close-up of some of the exposed grid work and cellular infrastructure (Figure 2).


Figure 2
Complex K


GJH

[gregorme]

I'd suggest you name any new finds with a designation that includes your name. For example GJH34. I use a shorthand like Pr for Protonilus, ECYD for Eastern Cydonia and so on. The more these kinds of names are encouraged the less likely someone else will just rename it later and forget what you did. Complex H can get confusing when there are too many formations. You might consider including a complex in the designation like GJH-H-3 meaning the third formation in that complex, or in this case GJH-Am-H-34 including Am for Amazonis Planitia.I have about 4000 formations all designated like this so I can find them easily.

[George J. Haas]

Taking a closer look at the exposed grid work and cellular infrastructure observed in a section of Complex K, located in the boxed area in figure 1, I would like to offer a comparison of a section of ruins located at the Cajamarquilla archaeological site near the coastal city of Lima, Peru (Figure 2).


Figure 1
Complex K



Figure 2
Left:Detail of Complex K, Mars
Right:Detail of Cajamarquilla, Peru

Notice the interior grid work of cellular foundations in both images.


GJH

[gregorme]

Dec 23, 2018 13:14:01 GMT -5 George J. Haas said:

Moving towards the eastern side of the Box-like foundation (Labeled J in figure 1), I direct your attention to the set of mounds with exposed grid work and cellular infrastructure that I call Complex K, labeled K in figure 1.


Figure 1
J: Box-like foundation
K: Group of structures with exposed infrastructure.


Here is a close-up of some of the exposed grid work and cellular infrastructure (Figure 2).


Figure 2
Complex K


GJH



This area is in my paper, here is what I said about it.


www.tsijournals.com/articles/room-like-shapes-with-free-standing-walls.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2qq1myhclGIxnzBzVNt1e8mRAYJNsbb8GIIZz09H5VTgmDHdgoKUDC5xY

[George J. Haas]

Far below Complex K is a geometrically-shaped foundation that is similar to the Bar Box foundation (Sliced of Bread). This second foundation is located at the bottom of the MRO HiRISE CTX B20 image (Labeled L in figure 1).


Figure 1.
Context image
Notated with the location of Complex K and Complex L
Detail of CTX B20_017374_2216_XN_41N141W

Here is a detail of Complex L showing a geometrically-shaped foundation that appears to be a rectangular hollow (Figure 2).



Figure 2
Rectangular Hollow (Complex L)
Detail of CTX B20_017374_2216_XN_41N141W


Notice the symmetry of the outer support walls and the interior depression.

GJH

[gregorme]

Dec 29, 2018 7:35:27 GMT -5 George J. Haas said:

Far below Complex K is a geometrically-shaped foundation that is similar to the Bar Box foundation (Sliced of Bread). This second foundation is located at the bottom of the MRO HiRISE CTX B20 image (Labeled L in figure 1).


Figure 1.
Context image
Notated with the location of Complex K and Complex L
Detail of CTX B20_017374_2216_XN_41N141W

Here is a detail of Complex L showing a geometrically-shaped foundation that appears to be a rectangular hollow (Figure 2).



Figure 2
Rectangular Hollow (Complex L)
Detail of CTX B20_017374_2216_XN_41N141W


Notice the symmetry of the outer support walls and the interior depression.

GJH

Yes, this is also in my paper. 

[George J. Haas]

I was on the opening segment of the Earth Ancients Radio program on Saturday December 29 with Cliff Dunning discussing some of these ruins that were discovered in the Acheron region of Mars by Greg Orme.




Here is a link:Earth Ancients

GJH

[starjim]

Here is a section of the strip that contains Greg Ormes blown roof building. I did check to see what the size was of this structure and basically we are looking at a building the size of the typical football sports arena (American Football Greg). I marked up the area to the east of the "stadium" and noted that there is the typical look of a city layout. I only did a few of the building lines and streets, just to give the overall idea.

I also have to ask the basic question, why are so many of these structures covered? Perhaps this was one of the cities that was established after the atmosphere was being stripped away? A last gasp of civilization before the end?

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[gregorme]

Dec 31, 2018 12:37:43 GMT -5 starjim said:

Here is a section of the strip that contains Greg Ormes blown roof building. I did check to see what the size was of this structure and basically we are looking at a building the size of the typical football sports arena (American Football Greg). I marked up the area to the east of the "stadium" and noted that there is the typical look of a city layout. I only did a few of the building lines and streets, just to give the overall idea.

I also have to ask the basic question, why are so many of these structures covered? Perhaps this was one of the cities that was established after the atmosphere was being stripped away? A last gasp of civilization before the end?

Some good points there. Adding lots of references can make a paper much more scientific. I've suggested a few explanations for this in my books, you can expand on some of them. For example they may have been protection from the solar wind and cosmic radiation, and they traveled more by tunnels and at night. This is because Mars was losing or had lost its magnetic field. Another is protection from predators. I suggested the dinosaurs could have come from Mars by panspermia, because they are about 3 times bigger than Earth large animals now. So they could have evolved in this size with 1/3 the gravity and then evolved to be smaller later. These Martians may have been reptilian, they don't look like mammals in the head.

A tsunami might explain how the roofs were torn off, they might have been common and smooth roofs like this were designed to protect against them. In some cases meteors hit the roofs and did not collapse them, one example seems to show the roof was repaired. As the seas began to sublimate and move to the poles there may have been constant hurricane conditions that tore the roofs off.

Another possibility is the cold, as it became colder it may have retained more warmth in these hills and to go further down. Like in Earth mines the temperatures can rise with the pressure of rock around them. This would have failed eventually because the air froze and there would have been no way to make food without sunlight. So if they pressurized underground with air it's not clear what they would have eaten. 

I think the last area to survive might have been in Hellas, the air pressure was about double at the bottom and there were volcanoes to provide heat. So there may be more historical records there. 

There may be signs these roads were extended as the seas shrank, they eventually point to quite a small ocean in Elysium. So the ice may have been accumulating for a long time on the poles and dropping the sea levels as it did on Earth during the Ice Age.  
 

[George J. Haas]

Located just above Complex H (on previous page) is a shield-shaped mound with a highly irregular surface pattern that I have titled the Locket Mound (Figure1).



Figure 1
Locket Mound
Detail of MRO HiRISE CTX image B20_017374_2216_XN_41N141W – 2010
Notice the interior supports and a grid work of cellular ruins.




The elevated form of Locket Mound with exposed ruins and walls reminds me of an ancient settlement on top of a mound found in the northern region of Israel, known as Megiddo (figure 2).



Figure 2
Comparison of the Locket Mound with Megiddo Mound.
Left: Locket Mound, Mars
Right Megiddo, Israel
Notice the exposed infrastructure on both mounds.


GJH

[gregorme]

Jan 3, 2019 9:05:39 GMT -5 George J. Haas said:

Located just above Complex H (on previous page) is a shield-shaped mound with a highly irregular surface pattern that I have titled the Locket Mound (Figure1).



Figure 1
Locket Mound
Detail of MRO HiRISE CTX image B20_017374_2216_XN_41N141W – 2010
Notice the interior supports and a grid work of cellular ruins.




The elevated form of Locket Mound with exposed ruins and walls reminds me of an ancient settlement on top of a mound found in the northern region of Israel, known as Megiddo (figure 2).



Figure 2
Comparison of the Locket Mound with Megiddo Mound.
Left: Locket Mound, Mars
Right Megiddo, Israel
Notice the exposed infrastructure on both mounds.


GJH

It's probably not a coincidence, similar materials may have been used. So they would need similar shapes and supports for the roof. Engineers could probably work out the strength of these materials, and from the size whether the idea of a roof is feasible in engineering. If it is not possible then that falsifies the idea of these being buildings. That's good because a hypothesis needs to take risks of being wrong to be credible. This is an important point in the scientific method, a hypothesis that cannot be wrong cannot be regarded as being right either.

[starjim]

Here is an old Anomaly Hunters image from the roundtable. The original image was MOC 38903. the Archive link is here: web.archive.org/web/20071217032130/http://ida.wr.usgs.gov:80/html/orb_0389/38903.html

I note that it is similar to the images Greg shows of the Pingos in his paper. He mentions there are similar structures on Mars and I think this example would be that as seen on page three figure 2.

Other structures Greg has in the paper also show Pingos that collapse from within. Image 1 page 3, I note that there are many of these mounds that look like exploded egg pods, (remember Alien?) all over this area.

[gregorme]

Jan 6, 2019 11:10:43 GMT -5 starjim said:

Here is an old Anomaly Hunters image from the roundtable. The original image was MOC 38903. the Archive link is here: web.archive.org/web/20071217032130/http://ida.wr.usgs.gov:80/html/orb_0389/38903.html

I note that it is similar to the images Greg shows of the Pingos in his paper. He mentions there are similar structures on Mars and I think this example would be that as seen on page three figure 2.

Other structures Greg has in the paper also show Pingos that collapse from within. Image 1 page 3, I note that there are many of these mounds that look like exploded egg pods, (remember Alien?) all over this area.

Yes, the papers I reference describe formations nearby they think are pingos. I think they make be collapsed hollow hills though. Pingos are generally round because the water freezes and turns to ice pushing them up. It's hard to produce room like shapes, though one image in the paper shows blocks of ice with soil in between. To be credible a claim of artificiality must refute the natural explanations. Your image is like a Kaarst lake, in the paper I show some of these in Iceland. It indicates there was icy water here. I've been doing another collection of images west of here, perhaps like a large island in the old ocean. It seems to have Kaarst lakes with some evidence of walls around their edges. 

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[starjim]

I am focusing on the peeled roof structure, I am using the B20_017374_2216_XN_41N141W image and the D22_035927_2228_XN_42N141W images. Looking at the building in D22 I see much more detail of the entire structure and now believe it is simply a collapsed rrof structure that was hit on the north side by a destructive force (bunker buster?) and left a small footprint when it entered and blew outward to the north. I note there are continuous ridges around the outside edge of the structure and there is visible cell type structures under the roof.

That would mean the roof is still there, just collapsed into the structure below. I noted with several lines what I see.

I also looked at the two circular areas to the southwest, these I call Twins as they are almost exactly alike. The more complete one has a visible entrance and roadway in fairly good condition, while the other is more collapsed around that area. These Twins are aproximately 60 meters high and 336 meters in diameter (197' high and 1102' in diameter).

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[williamsaunders]

Most of these images indicate to me a re-working of the terrain by an artificial source. ie not mother nature. The image of the peeled back roof is extremely intriguing but I don't see surrounding evidence of extreme wind effects. Main stream scientists would point to a few of the formations and say "exploding pingos" and leave it at that. Why? Well most of us know why. The rectangular formation screams artificial! Definitely an area needing more research. Nice find!